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Li-Ann Thio Will NOT Be Teaching at NYU Law

Submitted by David Hart on Thu, 07/23/2009 - 21:32

Li-Ann Thio was to be a visiting professor of human rights law at NYU Law School this fall. As a member of Singapore's parliament, Thio was a fierce opponent of gay rights. She launched a vigorous campaign to thwart a repeal of Singapore's criminalization of homosexuality which includes prison sentences of two years for consenting adults who engage in gay sex. During her campaign, she claimed that homosexuality is a mental disorder and that the ultimate goal of gay rights advocates was to be able to sleep with 13 year-olds.

Under pressure from faculty groups, board members and students, Thio has withdrawn from the position.

From: Office of the Dean

Date: Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:40 PM

Subject: Re: Visiting Global Law Professor Li-Ann Thio

TO: NYU School of Law Community

FROM: Richard Revesz

RE: Visiting Global Law Professor Li-Ann Thio

DATE: July 22, 2009

I am writing to let you know that Professor Li-ann Thio informed me today that she is canceling her Fall visit to NYU School of Law as a Global Visiting Professor, explaining that she was disappointed by the hostility of some members of our community to her views regarding homosexuality and gay rights, and by the low enrollments in her classes. The Law School will therefore cancel the course on Human Rights in Asia and the seminar on Constitutionalism in Asia, which she had been scheduled to teach.

As I observed on July 9 in an earlier statement, this issue brings two of our core values–academic freedom and a commitment to non-discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation–in tension with each other. On the one hand, NYU is fully committed to the principle of academic freedom and intellectual diversity. The Hauser Global Law School Program–under the auspices of which Professor Thio was invited as a visitor for one semester–grew out of our early recognition that the practice of law has escaped the bounds of any particular jurisdiction, and that legal education must take account of the intertwined nature of legal systems. The program seeks to expose our community to legal scholars who come from and have been shaped by their experiences in different countries, regions, and cultures. Needless to say, the value of the program would be seriously diminished if the visiting scholars all thought of difficult legal issues in the same way. We can learn from these visitors, and–we hope–they can learn from us.

NYU is equally committed to non-discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. NYU and the School of Law extended partner benefits to gay couples long before New York law mandated such benefits. In 1978, NYU Law School became the first law school in the United States to deny access to its career services to employers who discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, a practice that the Association of American Law Schools would later require all accredited law schools to follow. We also were leaders in the suit brought by the Forum for Academic and Institutional Rights (”FAIR”) to challenge the Solomon Amendment.

Reasonable individuals can disagree about the relative importance of these values, as evidenced by the many thoughtful messages I have received over the last month regarding Dr. Thio’s appointment. I would like to take this opportunity to respond to some recurring questions I have received.

At the time that the faculty members voted on Professor Thio’s appointment, were they aware of the speech she made to the Singapore Parliament on October 23, 2007, forcefully arguing against the decriminalization of consensual sexual acts between men?

When the Global Appointments Committee met in December 2007 to recommend that the faculty vote a visiting appointment to Professor Thio based on her teaching and scholarship, none of its members was aware of the speech. The tenured and tenure-track faculty considered this recommendation during its meeting on January 30, 2008. I was not aware of her speech at that time, and I do not believe my colleagues were aware of it either.

Of course, an electronic search of her public statements would have produced the text of the speech. We did not conduct such a search in considering this appointment, and we have not conducted such searches in considering other appointments. Consistent with the norms of the legal academy, we generally limit our inquiry to the review of academic publications and works in progress, teaching evaluations, and reputation for collegiality.

Should the speech have played a role in the decision as to whether to invite Professor Thio to visit, had the faculty been aware of its existence?

The position taken in the speech should have been irrelevant to our evaluation of Professor Thio, although the argumentation supporting the position might properly have played a role in that evaluation.

Professor Thio’s position in that speech is inimical to the Law School’s position against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Nonetheless, I do not believe that Professor Thio’s opposition to our institutional position should have played any role in our evaluation of her. Leading academic institutions benefit greatly from a diversity of perspectives, not from hiring only people who share the same views.

At the same time, our evaluation of Professor Thio’s strength as a scholar might have been usefully informed by an assessment of the analytic cogency and methodological integrity of the arguments and evidence she marshaled for her position. It would be up to the individual faculty member to determine what, if any, weight to give to the speech to Parliament in judging her as a scholar. …

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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:02.

Normal 0 false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 Hello,

It seems now that the gay rights movement has shifted from ensuring that gay and lesbian people are not discriminated against when it comes to jobs and housing, to making sure that all expressions of moral concern regarding homosexual acts are silenced -  and that the people making them are quickly marginalized. We must always remember that to safely ensure civil rights in this country, we must also ensure that religious rights are protected.

Thank you!

 

 


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Submitted by JM in CA (not verified) on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 21:39.

Wayne, very good point. "Diversity as long as it doesn't contradict what I believe." What a sham "liberal" thinking is. NYU does not give its students the quality education it advertises if it limits what ideas the students are exposed to. But that is the norm today, the "elite", educational institutions refusing a forum for differing views. This policy is disastrous for true liberal higher education.


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Submitted by David Hart on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 22:07.

Utter nonsense. The individual doesn't get a pass on intolerance because of the culture that they come from. This isn't about different ideas. In contrast it adds credibility to bigotry. Would you have expected NYU to welcome a visiting professor of human rights law from South Africa during apartheid if that individual subscribed to the regime's separatist policies? How about a Holocaust denier from Iran?

I mentioned earlier that I am equally opposed to Yoo teaching at Berkeley. Neither of these situations is about political correctness. Professors are expected to have certain values consistent with simple decency. Vitriolic homophobia isn't one of those. Moreover, the astonishing ignorance expressed by Thio depicts a lack of intellectual integrity if not curiosity.


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Submitted by JM in CA (not verified) on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 22:38.

David, So 30 years ago it would have been OK to deny a visiting professor their invitation because they, say, supported homosexual rights even though that behavior was against the law and sociatal norms? Here is what I see: You want to limit what is said because you don't like the view point. That is not true liberal thinking. In a sense that is bigotry. This is what I see all over social liberal havens; that differing view points are not tolerated and are excised from public view. This "policy" is perhaps what scares most Americans about the left's politics of personal destruction. It is a sad day when ideas are outlawed from the public forum.


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Submitted by Wayne L. Johnson (not verified) on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 17:44.

I found what attorney Thio Li-Ann said to the Singapore Parliament be very well written.  I find it interesting the Singapore law, Section 377A,  on sodomy is only aimed at men, not women. 

 

Thio Li-Ann does have a point, one can make a logical argument that private behavior has a health cost to society if it causes a greater risk of certain diseases - HIV and other STDs.  It is just an issue of where to draw the line, balancing privacy vice morals vice disease.  There are a lot of laws still in the US that are moral judgements.  Remember in this case we are talking about the morals and culture of Singapore.

 

Thio Li-Ann did  not author 377A, she just wants it continued.  I am not sure if the law has been around 10 years or 100 years in Singapore but it means at some time in the past a large group of people must have thought 377A had some merit. 

 

I will not go so far to say a I would have voted for 377A but I will say I can see how a person could for perfectly valid health reasons only.     It also appears the Singapore parliament did not repeal 377A.  which makes Thio Li-Ann position even stronger since the elected officials in Singapore agreed with her.  She is from Singapore I believe.  Thus her views are in agreement with the society she is from.

 

THis of course brings me to my real issue - the arrogance of some politically correct American lawyers, NYU law proefessors and NYU law students to attack a foreign lawyer for expressing her Asian cultural and legal points of view.  I thought the liberal crowd supports diversity and the views of other cultures being given at least the same respect as our culture's.  I guess it is a double standard - only if the liberal NYU types like it. 

Signed, Wayne L. Johnson, Alexandria, VA 

 

What say you?


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Submitted by Frank (not verified) on Thu, 07/23/2009 - 23:11.

Singapore is akin to a very affluent police state.  The Chinese Singapore law professor involved here is very typical and representative of official, governmental Singapore which has canned people for being gay, has shamed gays by arresting them and then putting their photos in public newspapers, and still criminalizes being gay.  Li-Ann Thio, to put it simply, is a homphobe and a bigot.  She has no right to spew her hateful ideas without them being challenged which is exactly what happened at NYU.

What is shocking in all of this--and I say this as a lawyer who has taught human rights law at various universities around the world--is that NYU (which is a good school) would even have hired this person to begin with.  The law school dean's statement to the effect that her personal views are irrelevant--" I do not believe that Professor Thio’s opposition to our institutional position should have played any role in our evaluation of her. Leading academic institutions benefit greatly from a diversity of perspectives"--is complete hogwash and obviously designed to protect his butt and that of NYU's.  NYU would never, for instance hire someone like David Duke, an avowed racist; this person is an outright homophobe.  The school probably knew this and thought they could get away with the hiring ONLY BECAUSE Singapore is a cash cow and the person in question is not only a lawyer but a member of Singapore's parliament.  NYU is a good school but as a private is always on the lookout for $$.  This blew up in their face, though, and has left bad feelings all around.  Now the question should be, especially given the blarney in the law school Dean's statement, how long will it be before NYU gives him the axe which he so richly deserves.  Gay students, gay alumni and others should withhold their contributions to this school until this matter is investigated and changes made at NYU Law school.  For it to have invited a homophobe famous for making public statements on the matter is an insult to the field of human rights law, to the law, to the NYU legal students and community, and to NYC.  The Dean should be sent packing.  By the way, I write this looking out my window over downtown Singapore.

 


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Submitted by David Hart on Fri, 07/24/2009 - 00:53.

Along similar lines, I couldn't help thinking about John Yoo who is a professor of law at the University of California at Berkeley School of Law. I was really shocked that they hired a war criminal to teach young students. I am even more shocked that students register for his class.


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Submitted by matt (not verified) on Thu, 07/23/2009 - 22:27.

Thank God that hate monger won't be coming to NYU or NYC for that matter and spreading her poison here. I just wish she would realize just how hurtful her views are. I once know someone who was caring, loving and compassionate. He had the unfortunate luck of having a mother who espoused similar views about gays than Dr. Thio does. She made his life unbearable and helped an awful lot in getting him to hate himself. In the end he killed himself because he couldn't take it anymore. Words are more powerful than swords. I wish Dr. Thio all the best...just as long as she stays far away from us.


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